Over the last few months I’ve heard Jane speak more than once with clear intelligence, wisdom and wit that I just knew she was prime for this podcast. How right I was. She’s clear, very smart, informed and is full of informed insight. And, as she said, far too clever when she was a girl.

She has a name in Brighton for her oral histories of older lesbian women, her own kind, which are truly fascinating, particularly in terms of the lives these woman led when they lived that infamous closet. As I’m round her age, I know from my own experience what a different world we live in, as society shifts and changes round us. Where are we going next?

So here, with me in my studio bedroom, where sound is pretty good (large bed, thick carpet, curtains and open wardrobe to cut sound bounce), we talked as two older women with our own perspectives on identity, gender, this shifting world, our chemical selves, the safety of the closet and more.

Jane is a gem, and I’m delighted to help give voice to her valuable contribution to this podcast. The wisdom of the elder. You know what? I’m getting to love doing this, deep talking and sharing the depths of great people with you.

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