This conversation was recorded at a friend’s house, a fine Edwardian pile between the New Forest and the sea. It was a second go – our first conversation was at the RSA iin London and I made a technical error with my little recorder. It was a good excuse to spend more time with Ayla, her beauty, sharp wisdom, good nature and truthfulness.

We looked out of a bedroom over the splendid garden, bursting with flowers, and went deeper and deeper into ourselves, ending up in a very sweet state of being indeed. It’s all here with you in this conversation, which fulfils a major aim of this podcast – to introduce anyone and everyone to the fine, profound people we trans folk are.

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