This conversation was recorded at a friend’s house, a fine Edwardian pile between the New Forest and the sea. It was a second go at recording – our first conversation was at the RSA iin London and I made a technical error with background sound, so it didn’t work. It was a good excuse to spend more time with Ayla, her inside and outside beauty, sharp wisdom, good nature and truthfulness.

We looked out of a bedroom over the splendid garden, bursting with flowers, and went deeper and deeper into ourselves, ending up in a very sweet state of being indeed. It’s all here with you in this conversation, which fulfils a major aim of this podcast – to introduce anyone and everyone to the fine, profound people we trans folk are.

When I started this conversation with Wayne, the last thing expected was for him to open with these words; ‘let’s begin with race.’ But OK, let’s, and so we hear something of the inner experience of Wayne Mertins-Brown as he walks his walk through his world through the lens of his identity and experience. It’s very powerful, almost shocking, but also has some resonance with my own experience as a trans woman. Race and gender; two ways to classify and diminish others.

This is yet another profound insight into the world we live in, so full and rich and complete that, for a moment, I wondered if there was anywhere else to go.

So we began with race, one of the most powerful intersections with gender that keeps on emerging in The Masks of Gender, and end with the sweetness of self-recognition, the sense of knowing who we are at our deepest depths.

What a wonderful man, and Friend, is Wayne, what a privilege we have to hear his wisdom, good heartedness and truth.